V1 Tie rod ends

[ToxicBill]

I didn't see this specific question addressed anywhere so I wanted to ask it:. Do I put the tie rod ends from the steering rack onto the back and the ones supplied by DF on the front?

If it's posted somewhere, I couldn't find it.

 

[Desert Sasqwatch]

Try this.

Front wheels shaking and hopping under hard braking (Now fixed!)

Does your rack and pinion have any slop in it? Is anything worn out in the front end? If you're running a bunch of wheel offset, it can amplify worn steering components. It also makes me curious why your alignment is changing when you are rolling the car forward and retesting.

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[Rttoys]

Yes. stock fronts go to the back and DF supplied ones, go up front.

 

[barichuk]

When I put the DF supplies tie rod ends on the front, the wheels were \ / , extreme toe-out. They were about 3" long, and the stock ones were about 4 1/2". I put the stock ones back on and the wheels are lining up.

 

[Ross]

When I put the DF supplies tie rod ends on the front, the wheels were \ / , extreme toe-out. They were about 3" long, and the stock ones were about 4 1/2". I put the stock ones back on and the wheels are lining up.

That lead to braking shake on my front wheels. The 3" long tie rod ends should be on the front. Post some picture of the front suspension setup, lets see if we can find the issue.

 

[barichuk]

That lead to braking shake on my front wheels. The 3" long tie rod ends should be on the front. Post some picture of the front suspension setup, lets see if we can find the issue.

Pic 1 is the 3" on top of the 4 1/2". Pic 2 is the front end as it is now. Imagine the two steering arms pulled in 1 1/2" each and you can tell how far out the alignment would be.

 

[Ross]

I don't see anything wrong with the front end, but the pictures don't show me much.
Lonnie spent 20 seconds looking at my front suspension and correctly diagnosed my front end shake issue.
I had been driving about a year on it before I learned what I assembled wrong.
Video 23 - Front Suspension

 

[ccannx]

Pic 1 is the 3" on top of the 4 1/2". Pic 2 is the front end as it is now. Imagine the two steering arms pulled in 1 1/2" each and you can tell how far out the alignment would be.

Can you take some photos straight down on the steering arms and some of your ball joints/rod ends at the top and bottom of your upright ?

 

[Lonny]

Roughly adjust your caster and camber and then check your toe with a tape measure and see where it is at.

 

[barichuk]

Roughly adjust your caster and camber and then check your toe with a tape measure and see where it is at.

Roughly: caster is 9*, camber is 4*, and toe is out 1/4". I have not installed the rear suspension yet and not installed the steering wheel yet. Tires and steering are not yet centered. I will be fine-tuning later.

 

[JBINTX]

I am sure there are many preferences for alignment out there.
Here is what DF suggests below. Many have followed it closely with good results.

DIY Front End Alignment

Read the rear end alignment thread first: http://dfkitcar.com/forum/index.php?threads/diy-rear-end-alignment.750/#post-12342 Here's how we align the front end of our shop cars: Note: these instructions assume that you adjusted your control arm rod ends the way we showed in the instructional...

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DIY Rear End Alignment

Here's how we align the rear of our shop cars: The rear camber on the left and right sides should be the same before completing the following steps. We run around 1.5 degrees of negative camber per side at the rear of our cars for street use (at the track you'll want more). We measure camber...

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[Ross]

You should be able to adjust that tow to be 1/8" tow-in. Hopefully reduce that camber to 1.5 degrees (or less) too.

The front suspension:
Lower A arms have all 3 heim joints threaded in almost all the way. About 1 thread left.
Upper A arms have about 4 threads visible on all the heim joints.
Tie rod ends have an inch on one side and 3/4" on the other of threads visible on the short(3.5") tie rod ends. 4.5" tie rod ends go on the rear.

 

[barichuk]

I have just learned that the front rods and ends go to the back, and the back go to the front. This info is scattered throughout the forum and I had not noticed it before. I am putting it here, too, so there is one more chance of somebody seeing it.